Many thanks to loopnoub for posting and sharing… this clip was from last weeks Thailand vs. Germany match up… this event is part of the Thailand vs. Challenger series.
I appreciate what the Thailand vs. Challenger peeps are doing. They’re really looking to promote the sport of Muay Thai globally. I think they’ve looked to Europe and seen the success the Dutch have had putting on shows and they want to replicate that back home.
In addition to the fights in Thailand, it appears they’ve taken the show on the road. I think this was their first show in Germany, and I think I’ve seen they’ve got another one set for next month in Dubai. Not entirely sure but it looks like these guys are fighting in a shopping mall?
The two main events were Kaoklai vs. Marco Aschenbrenner. You can view that fight here… not really worth posting.
And this fight between Nonsai Sor. Sanyakorn and Alex Vogel. I don’t know a great deal about Nonsai, except that he’s from Surin and used to fight out of the Sor.Chitlada camp… I’m pretty sure that was Kaoklai’s old camp as well.
During his interview with Eurosport you can hear him same this would be his first fight in 5 months, that he was off due to an injury caused by a motorcycle accident.
Vogel appears to be a fairly accomplished kickboxer… That being said, I thought this was fairly ugly fight. Its apparent Vogel doesn’t know anything about clinching… why should he? He’s a kickboxer…. Nongsai figures this out quickly and engages him in the clinch wherever possible. It’s a great strategy with the exception Nonsai doesn’t really do anything with his advantage. It looks to me Nongsai gassed and was using the clinch to recover?
Anyway, I hope the quality of fights improve… we’ll see what happens in Dubai.
November 29, 2010 at 4:52 pm
haha I am glad that I didn’t go there, saved me some time and money : )
November 30, 2010 at 11:16 am
Vogel was so massivley rubbish in this fight it was unbelievable.Thats was literally one of the worst performances iv ever seen.Punching in the clinch!!!!I was actually laughing out loud at this.The only thing I cant figure out is how that nonsai couldnt finish him.It was like watching old fights from the 80′s where they got thais over to fight some kickboxer.Surely there must be some half decent thai boxers in germany somewhere that have half a clue more than this?
November 30, 2010 at 5:35 pm
the muay thai scene in germany is pretty small and unknown, most of the guys are fighting under k1 rules.
decent thaiboxing events are pretty rare(k1rules events are more often) and the payment is more or less low, so money is no motivator.
I know only one guy who is doing this fulltime and this is valdet gashi.
but well, I don’t follow the german scene and k1 at all.
December 1, 2010 at 3:36 pm
I agree with banana to the extent that most fights are under K1 rules. But as a Canadian living in Berlin I should say that Muay Thai is indeed known, but unfortunately, the sport is, for a lack of a better word, ‘undernourished’
Compared to Holland and France, Germany lacks proper muay thai camps and trainers as well as the infrastructure – the amateur circuits aren’t as established like the ones that exist in Holland, Belarus, Russia, Czech Republic etc…. Also, alot of gyms claim to practice muay thai, but in reality most are just kickboxers who have adapted to the rules and teach things like ‘punch during the clinch’. Its sad the guys like Vogel are Germany’s representives for the sport of Muay Thai. K1 is an easier transition and even in K1, Germany is under represented.
I also get the impression that alot of the established kickboxing gyms don’t want to accept muay thai because of all the associated traditions (Wai Khru, Mongkol, the rituals, the music, etc…) – Its all just too foreign. I’ve even heard people complain about fighters doing the Wai Khru as well as the fight music during muay thai bouts. Another reason is that Germans in general aren’t really into combat sport and, from what I’ve gathered, most just find the sport too brutal alot of people are just terrified of the low-kick and knee strikes…haha!
Most poeple opt for something a little more ‘main stream’ like boxing or badminton. If you look at Germany’s top fighters in the sport of Boxing, almost 99% are immigrants from the east block.
I train and fight with a small stable of 6-8 fighters, we were trained by a Thai national and ex-figher “MEO” Wichan Sriworgsa who also had a school in Northern Thailand, since his death we have been trying to further the sport in its most purest form. Unfortunately, in order for us to fight regularly under full muay thai rules, we have to travel to the Czech Republic where Muay Thai, like it is in Russia, has an established muay Thai circuit where tournaments and fight cards are held regularly.
visit us:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Nachwuchs-Thaiboxen-Training-and-Fitness/340447295073
http://www.youtube.com/user/joninberlin?feature=mhum
December 1, 2010 at 11:21 pm
that pretty much sums it up.
you can hardly make money with muay thai in germany, as a athlete or a promoter.
just look at the fight footage from sanchai vs yetkin, how empty the place is.
you can consider yourself lucky if you managed to find a gym with nice people teaching real muaythai.
December 2, 2010 at 8:07 am
wow how can you be so fucking arrogant and ignorant and complain about the wai kru and ring music? you are a fucking foreigner learning thailands martial art. have some mutherfucking respect and learn the traditions. just like i am not thai and have learned much about thai culture in muay thai and in general.
this also brings up something that pisses me off. most farangs, regardless of where they are from, NEVER fly thailands flag. you can fly your own nations flag as well as thailands too. doesnt need to be only one. i am a strong believer of accepting and taking the time to learn the culture of the country from which martial art you have THE PRIVILEGE of learning.
December 2, 2010 at 9:01 am
most gyms just put thaiboxing in their trainingprogramm cause it sounds “cool”.
on the local championships only 2 out of 10 people can perform a wai kru, the rest is standing in their corner trying to look aggro and mean.
at my gym most of the guys are doing muay thai as a fitness routine, so they have no background knowledge at all, like complaining what this strange headache musik is all about.
well I guess thats the way it is…