Comments on: Don Wilson vs Samart Prasamit

By: GKfromMTA

GKfromMTA — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:01:47 +0000

Speaking of famous fights about the old school full contact days. Is there a professional video that exists between Benny Urquidez and Narongnoi that was shot? There was a color version which originates from Mike Miles site. A private bootleg shot was been leaked onto the internet but I was wondering if the professionally shot version is in circulation amoungst the tightest of collectors.

By: Khuncherng

Khuncherng — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:18:07 +0000

Thanks for the kind remarks. I dont have a tape on the two Samarts, but have the one on Roufus – Changpheuak ( 1988 ) and Wilson – Fanta (1984) The LVG bout was real mayhem, but real history in terms of martial arts evolution. Changpheuak was out on his feet in R1, but he was real game. In the break, Thai trainer Nanfah ( now deceased ) spilled the ice in the corner, and gained some time, crafty ! Then on, the Thai just went rough all the way, and butchered the kickboxers legs until he fell. The American had his share of bullies, like kicking his foe on the deck. He was 167 to the Thai’s 163, but the latter’s normal
prime weight was only 145. Wilson did not beat Fanta as he claimed. It was a 7R automaticdraw, as the agreed format was a winner will only be declared on a
KO. Wilson actually apologised to the audience, when he says : I was going to retire after this fight, but I am not going out on this ( poor ) performance. The Thai
was 150 at the weigh-in, and Wilson 175. The Thai took all his shots and made faces throughout ( afterwards he couldn’t eat for days ), but he connected well several times, tossing the much bigger rival down 2-3 times. Wilson groin-kicked Fanta once and apologised. He was kicked on the head twice, and took a solid left hook from the Thai southpaw. Not the best fight, only hype. Benny was beaten
up squarely in 6 R of a Katogi fight promoted by the famous Kurosaki on Aug 2, 1978. It was pro karate rules pretty much like K1. To the western world, Benny denied that fight was real ! However, in his memoirs in Japanese, he praised his tormentor, Prayuth Srisompob.

By: horc00

horc00 — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:47:10 +0000

Excellent commentary Khuncherng.

Any chance you might have the footage of the fight between the two Samarts? That’s gonna be legendary!

By: spydaman

spydaman — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:13:18 +0000

Khuncherng, Thank you so much for the very descriptive narrative of the fight.

By: Khuncherng

Khuncherng — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:44:57 +0000

I have a full recording of the Lumpini fight between Wilson & Samart Prasarnmit. It was completely one-sided. The cash ( 6,000,000 bht ) present was true, police guards were there, a norm at arena, the lousy changing room is still a standard itemnow. The stake for a KO was 6 M. ( 3 M a side ) and 2 M on points. Samart won but was booed by fans for failing to KO the legendary WKA world light heavyweight champion, despite having floored the latter twice in R3 and once R4.
The first R was Wilsons, as the Thai was,as usua,l warming up to his task.Wilson made a good show with his side-kicks, but was forced to back off every time the Thai retaliated with his trademark right flying kicks. R2 saw an active exchange between the two warriors, but Samart was beaming with confidence whilst his foe looked worried at the end of the R. The third was critical, as when the Thai decided to ignore the punchers of Wilson, we went all out to infight with close kneeing. Wilson was down and counted twice. The bell saved him and he looked pretty much bashed up as he walked dejectedly back to kis corner. R4 was a survival exercise. Samart attacked hard, battered Wilson with kicks and knees as the American literally ran for his life. Twice the Thai administered the classic Face Spurning kick on Wilson – a gesture to exhibit provocation and superiority. A hard knee ram send the American almost out of the ring apron under the ropes. The last round was simple – Wilson tried to fight back, yet the Thai was wary and chose to cruise to sure victory.The inverted photo of the high kick( it was actually a right – I have the original film) was taken near the last minute of R5. It landed and stunned Wilson a little. By this time the Thai, outweighed by 24 pounds( his mormal fighting weight being 134 means he could not be more than 150 in the ring , whilst Wilson would have blown up from 172 to 180 by fight time ) and very tired from the grappling with the 6’2 ” American in R3 &4, he wisely preferred not to risk a knockdown, as a late hit by the latter might still overturn the outcome, to incut the fury of gamblers. Thus it was the pressure of the landmark wager, and the remarkable weight difference that had caused the Thai an almost certain knockout. Wilson conceded his lower body was all numb after the knee on the spine in the third, while Samart said he was never in any trouble with the foreigner, who was just too big. To Wilson’s credit, a lesser man would have not lasted the distance.

For the record, after the fight Samart, though having won decisively ( I should brand it the Fight of the Century, comparable to Ali-Foreman in many respects) was not at all pleased, for failing to pot the entire 3 million bahts from the opposition syndicate. Little Smart Payakarun ( 128 ) promptly vitsited Wilson in the dressing room to raise a challenge that was declined. By Dec 28, the two Samarts met in the Fight of the Year at Rajadamnern Stadium, weight 134 to 129, and the lighter Samart, fast as it armed with radar, was superb in form and won unanimously on points.

By: Dan from Madison

Dan from Madison — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:38:47 +0000

Argh I finally carve out a little time to watch this and it is down. Oh well, guess I need to get on these things sooner.

By: Stack

Stack — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:24:40 +0000

No worries.

To make up for it: I’ll post another old clip from America’s old days of kickboxers fighting Thaiboxers tonight.

By: GKfromMTA

GKfromMTA — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:12:01 +0000

As far as rare videos, it hurts a collector when a once obscure (hard to come-by) video is easily obtainable via internet. There are more videos out there that have not come to surface like Samart vs. Dieselnoi in 1982 that are kept in private collections. When something is devalued it is no longer a bargaining item. Anyways, the collector and I are still cool (or so I hope) but I took too much of a liberty sharing it and devaluing it in the process. I’ll let you know if anything comes down the pike from him, but what you do with your youtube account is your right. I appreciate your consideration though.

Also, I hope that you didn’t think I was a Mike Miles proxy, I’ve been following him since the early A/X kickboxing days and his personal site. I’m just in this for a healthy debate on account for both sides. Ofcourse I don’t agree with some but I want to see things play out. I am always out to check myself and would like objectivity.

By: Stack

Stack — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:07:26 +0000

Actually I just removed it. Sorry for the trouble this may have caused you GK

By: Stack

Stack — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:52:50 +0000

This is your video? I promise you I didn’t knowingly pirate from you. I have this video on old VHS but I did download this video and I promise you not from K-1fans. At any rate if you’d like it removed I certainly can. I certainly don’t want anyone mad at you for it.

In regards to Benny yes! As well as the Chaengpuek video where he too was put at a disadvantage due to rules modifications. You can tell in the fight itself what was allowed & not allowed. I stand by what I said. If either fighter felt they were put in a position to fail they could decline the fight. As Don said in his reply he wanted the money and so accepted.

No problem GK. I really respect you a lot too. And if the video being up causes you any issue I will certainly remove it as I didn’t know it was yours that I downloaded.

By: GKfromMTA

GKfromMTA — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:32:21 +0000

The video you posted was captured from my K-1fans account. The beginning has the DVD marker from my recorder. I posted this as well as Benny vs. Narongnoi. I’m not discounting the possibility that you had this fight in a different format but it was hard to obtain and I got some grief from the collector for posting it which is why I had taken it down.

Maybe more fit for another topic, would you argue for or against the actual footage of the Benny fight. We somewhat know that Narongnoi was put at a disadvantage from the rules modifications and last minute changes. Does this mean that what was recorded speaks truly for itself? Is all that one can see with their eyes all that can be taken into account?

I repect your (Stack) opinion and like to consider the angles of debate when there are two sides of the story.

By: Stack

Stack — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:27:16 +0000

“dude but technically he was…..the ‘dragon’ would agree me if i had a chance to explain im sure of this.’

The Dragon has disagreed with this and still does. You’re wrong. Believe it or not quite of lot martial arts have a side stance and a side kick.