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		<title>By: yodtimklai</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone been to Por Pramuk or Kaewsamrit? I was thinking about spending a good amount of time at those camps, but wanted more information.

Last time I was in Thailand I spent all my time in Phuket. The training was good, but I think I was on the beach more than I was at the gym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone been to Por Pramuk or Kaewsamrit? I was thinking about spending a good amount of time at those camps, but wanted more information.</p>
<p>Last time I was in Thailand I spent all my time in Phuket. The training was good, but I think I was on the beach more than I was at the gym.</p>
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		<title>By: MuayThaiMex</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuayThaiMex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss my sand bag. Maybe I can arrange visitation rights with Chris and Bunkerd hahahaha</description>
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		<title>By: Yaksha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaksha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Thailand in December 2007 and in October this year. In the 2007 I went to Chorenrit to train with Namsaknoi. A very good trainer. In October I went to train to Samui in Chaweng Stadium, because Namsaknoi moved there. He is a very good trainer, very technical.
For more info: http://nsnclubmuaythai.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Thailand in December 2007 and in October this year. In the 2007 I went to Chorenrit to train with Namsaknoi. A very good trainer. In October I went to train to Samui in Chaweng Stadium, because Namsaknoi moved there. He is a very good trainer, very technical.<br />
For more info: <a href="http://nsnclubmuaythai.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nsnclubmuaythai.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: celtic1967</title>
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		<dc:creator>celtic1967</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>went to thailand in summer &#039;07 and trained at siam no. 1 in chang mai and jitti in bangkok...both were ETREMELY  cool and accomodating to this boxer trying muay thai for the first time...norbert at siam made sure that someone was there to meet me, even tho it was a sunday (phon, who gave me a lesson in clinching) and jitti made special arrangements for me both days i went (i had early flights both mornings and serm met me at the crack of dawn and kicked my butt teaching me shin kicks)...i highly recommend both and serm&#039;s wife porn made me awesome brakfasts both days too..:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>went to thailand in summer &#8216;07 and trained at siam no. 1 in chang mai and jitti in bangkok&#8230;both were ETREMELY  cool and accomodating to this boxer trying muay thai for the first time&#8230;norbert at siam made sure that someone was there to meet me, even tho it was a sunday (phon, who gave me a lesson in clinching) and jitti made special arrangements for me both days i went (i had early flights both mornings and serm met me at the crack of dawn and kicked my butt teaching me shin kicks)&#8230;i highly recommend both and serm&#8217;s wife porn made me awesome brakfasts both days too..:)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Lanna in Chiang Mai both of my trips to Thailand.  I&#039;ve heard a lot of negative things about it, but I disagree with most of them.
Lanna kind of has a &quot;you are in charge of your training&quot; policy.  And the trainers react to your dedication (they get A LOT of fly-by-nighters).  
My first trip for 2 months I trained but not as hard and dedicated as I should and my training was what I would call average.
My second trip for 7 months I trained as hard as I could twice a day.  The trainers spent more time with me and helped me a lot more, got to know me as well.
A lot of people (in my very humble opinion) that complain I think are either expecting too much or expect to be &quot;ushered&quot; along in their training...if that makes sense.
So keep in mind, if you train at Lanna, you have to basically prove yourself to the trainers, go twice a day six days a week.  If you need help ask!  They have always been more than helpful to me.  When I go back next year, I&#039;m planning to go to Lanna for a third time.

But also, I have heard nothing but good things about Chai Yai gym.

Either way, Chiang Mai is a wonderful city, I&#039;m not big on big cities and I didn&#039;t enjoy Bangkok that much.  But, that&#039;s just my opinion once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Lanna in Chiang Mai both of my trips to Thailand.  I&#8217;ve heard a lot of negative things about it, but I disagree with most of them.<br />
Lanna kind of has a &#8220;you are in charge of your training&#8221; policy.  And the trainers react to your dedication (they get A LOT of fly-by-nighters).<br />
My first trip for 2 months I trained but not as hard and dedicated as I should and my training was what I would call average.<br />
My second trip for 7 months I trained as hard as I could twice a day.  The trainers spent more time with me and helped me a lot more, got to know me as well.<br />
A lot of people (in my very humble opinion) that complain I think are either expecting too much or expect to be &#8220;ushered&#8221; along in their training&#8230;if that makes sense.<br />
So keep in mind, if you train at Lanna, you have to basically prove yourself to the trainers, go twice a day six days a week.  If you need help ask!  They have always been more than helpful to me.  When I go back next year, I&#8217;m planning to go to Lanna for a third time.</p>
<p>But also, I have heard nothing but good things about Chai Yai gym.</p>
<p>Either way, Chiang Mai is a wonderful city, I&#8217;m not big on big cities and I didn&#8217;t enjoy Bangkok that much.  But, that&#8217;s just my opinion once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Makcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read you´re site regularly for a little over a year now and I agree with writers above, you have definately got the best muay thai site there is, your doing a great job.

I have only trained at one camp in Thailand, J. Prapa in Phuket we I have been twice, great atmosphere but during high season sometimes a bit crowded.

Great people aswell, with Jomhod Kiatidisak the most well known trainer there.

All in all a nice place that I can wholeheartedly recommend, im going back there myself in little over two months</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read you´re site regularly for a little over a year now and I agree with writers above, you have definately got the best muay thai site there is, your doing a great job.</p>
<p>I have only trained at one camp in Thailand, J. Prapa in Phuket we I have been twice, great atmosphere but during high season sometimes a bit crowded.</p>
<p>Great people aswell, with Jomhod Kiatidisak the most well known trainer there.</p>
<p>All in all a nice place that I can wholeheartedly recommend, im going back there myself in little over two months</p>
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		<title>By: fight geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>fight geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Tiger Muay Thai fan-boy.

I agree with everything koolkick said.

I particularly liked the private lessons. I had a heap of them. The dude showed me a lot of techniques that he thought would best suit my natural attributes—old and slow ;P   He also showed me the best fighting strategies and techniques to use as a southpaw. 

I can&#039;t wait till I go back!

Hope you feel better soon Nopstar. Going through shit isn&#039;t fun, but at least you&#039;ve got the best Muay Thai site on the internet!  No other site comes close.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Tiger Muay Thai fan-boy.</p>
<p>I agree with everything koolkick said.</p>
<p>I particularly liked the private lessons. I had a heap of them. The dude showed me a lot of techniques that he thought would best suit my natural attributes—old and slow ;P   He also showed me the best fighting strategies and techniques to use as a southpaw. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait till I go back!</p>
<p>Hope you feel better soon Nopstar. Going through shit isn&#8217;t fun, but at least you&#8217;ve got the best Muay Thai site on the internet!  No other site comes close.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: tong po</title>
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		<dc:creator>tong po</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I second that! I love observing the champs go at it in training!

But I digress- Mai Lee good fu*k!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I second that! I love observing the champs go at it in training!</p>
<p>But I digress- Mai Lee good fu*k!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tong Po: Yeah, man - on the first day there I nonchalantly kicked a heavy bag and promptly rendered my leg useless for 3 days.

Also, you taste like Mai-Lee.

Jake: I envy you.  It&#039;s going to be amazing.  I&#039;ll look forward to hearing your comparison of Bangplee and Pattaya in terms of training quality.  I&#039;d normally prefer a more hardcore training environment, but I&#039;d love to &#039;train&#039; simply by watching Yod and Kaew all day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tong Po: Yeah, man &#8211; on the first day there I nonchalantly kicked a heavy bag and promptly rendered my leg useless for 3 days.</p>
<p>Also, you taste like Mai-Lee.</p>
<p>Jake: I envy you.  It&#8217;s going to be amazing.  I&#8217;ll look forward to hearing your comparison of Bangplee and Pattaya in terms of training quality.  I&#8217;d normally prefer a more hardcore training environment, but I&#8217;d love to &#8216;train&#8217; simply by watching Yod and Kaew all day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was pretty solid mark. Myself and fellow gym members will be making our way to fairtex banglpee and pattaya in mid march to early april for some training and possibly a fight. Suffice it to say, I cannot wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was pretty solid mark. Myself and fellow gym members will be making our way to fairtex banglpee and pattaya in mid march to early april for some training and possibly a fight. Suffice it to say, I cannot wait.</p>
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		<title>By: tong po</title>
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		<dc:creator>tong po</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good write up, Mark.  I trained over at the &quot;original&quot; Fairtex camp too- Neungsiam was one of the trainers there, Coke was still fighting and Kaew was a talkative skinny kid that showed some promise.  I can attest to the hardness of the bags!  Damn!  I don&#039;t think there is anything - save for the sand filled bag at our gym that can compare to the  &quot;Thai&quot; heavy bags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good write up, Mark.  I trained over at the &#8220;original&#8221; Fairtex camp too- Neungsiam was one of the trainers there, Coke was still fighting and Kaew was a talkative skinny kid that showed some promise.  I can attest to the hardness of the bags!  Damn!  I don&#8217;t think there is anything &#8211; save for the sand filled bag at our gym that can compare to the  &#8220;Thai&#8221; heavy bags.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I trained for a month at the smaller (&amp; original) Fairtex camp in Bangplee, when I was the conditioning coach for Fairtex and the US world cup team in 2004.  Fairtex’ Pattaya camp had not yet been built then.  Nor had Bangplee&#039;s &#039;natural health pavilion&#039;, which offers massage and other health/spa services (though, the only &quot;happy ending&quot; you&#039;ll get there is a colonic up your rear end, should you ask for it).  Nothing like a hose up your ass after it&#039;s been kicked around the ring, I suppose… but I digress.   Since I didn&#039;t train anywhere else in Thailand, I can&#039;t offer any comparisons.  But here’s my experience of Fairtex.

The Bangplee camp is much smaller than the Pattaya sports resort - which is way fancy and offers many more activities than Muay Thai.  My Thai trainer, Neungsiam, scowls and says that Pattaya is not a good place for fighters to seriously train, on account of it being so &quot;full of tourists and beaches&quot;.  Maybe he meant to pronounce it as &quot;bitches&quot; though, as he was referring specifically to Pattaya&#039;s potentially distracting sex-tourism scene. On the other hand, Fairtex&#039; top fighters (Yod, Naruepol) are at the Pattaya camp.  Kaew and Apidej were also both at Bangplee in 2004, but I&#039;m not sure if they still are (doubt it).  Apidej would cheerfully feed the birds each morning and give you a big hug if he saw you.  You might wonder if he was crazy… or just enlightened.  

Anyway, about Bangplee. Though it is small, it is a fully equipped professional Muay Thai camp.  It is also quite beautiful and lush: a nicely crafted pro Muay Thai camp + fitness club surrounded by trees and a river in an otherwise semi-developed region (supermarkets and other businesses relatively close by, Bangkok 30-60mins by taxi).  No concrete ring-floors there: it caters to Muay Thai travelers (some English is spoken there) and offers a range of accommodations and amenities: various room configurations (with or w/o AC/TV/roommates/etc); freshwater pool, semi-Western style cafe (decent prices when I was there), Fairtex pro shop (better prices than abroad, but still relatively expensive for Thailand: most of the US fighters preferred the Twins shop at Lumpini), a fitness room (with treadmills, ellipticals, bikes, free weights &amp; machines; and fitness trainer), a beautiful high-ceilinged yoga studio, and clean showers.  Overall, the place is very clean, cheerful and familial - many of the fighters&#039; and trainers&#039; relatives live and work there, too.  Fairtex’ gear manufacturing was also based there and so many of the fighters had custom apparel made for them on the spot.  

“Everything is harder in a Thai camp”, said silver-medalist, Evan Esguerra, as we clung to the ropes after another monster 6-minute round of pad training.  The Scottish team was also training with us, and one of their fighters, Alex, responded weakly, “Oh, it’s a grrrrreat sporrrt!”

Bangplee has a quad of small rings, and plenty of shin-breaking bags of various sizes and singular hardness (which the skinny 13 year-old Thais have no trouble caving in with their kicks).  All of us ‘farang’ noted that a distinctly different sound was made by their kicks (CRACKETY-SHMACK!) than any of the Westerners&#039; (which went something more like “Bmff”).  Humbling.  Inspiring.

The twice-daily training was very good, but I was already blessed to be training with Jongsanan, Ganyao and Enn Fairtex in San Francisco.  The main difference was that pad-training rounds were 6-minutes long at Bangplee. And the heat. As bad as that sounds, it actually forced everyone to learn how to relax (sabai! sabai!), breathe and keep their cool in the thick heat and humidity.  Efficiency and composure are the name of the game, and fatigue can be a great teacher if you don’t give up.

Overall, the biggest benefit for me was not the actual training, but the total immersion in Muay Thai culture.  People are very ‘real’ there: simple, sincere and present in their everyday lives. I loved the monk-like lifestyle, with the whole day devoted to refining your self as both weapon and place of peace.  Living for a month on a serious camp, surrounded by top pros who live and breathe the sport as their regular day job (including the tiny 8 year-olds, from whom I learned much by watching) teaches you something you can’t learn abroad.  It helped me begin to understand the proper attitude and pragmatism that empower Muay Thai: to be simple and natural, cool and patient, awake, at peace and unhesitatingly decisive when it&#039;s time. These aren&#039;t just qualities they put on in the ring: they are part of the every day Thai-Buddhist culture.

If you are open to it, this experience should be available at most decent camps. I would probably visit other gyms on future visits, but I definitely wasn&#039;t disappointed by my experience. I would say that Fairtex/Bangplee is a good first place to train if you want a little comfort around your training (the training itself is still happily uncomfortable).

If you love Muay Thai, I hope you will find a way to train in Thailand, sooner than later.  Every day, there&#039;s a part of my heart that asks: &quot;When will we go back?&quot;

*wai*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trained for a month at the smaller (&amp; original) Fairtex camp in Bangplee, when I was the conditioning coach for Fairtex and the US world cup team in 2004.  Fairtex’ Pattaya camp had not yet been built then.  Nor had Bangplee&#8217;s &#8216;natural health pavilion&#8217;, which offers massage and other health/spa services (though, the only &#8220;happy ending&#8221; you&#8217;ll get there is a colonic up your rear end, should you ask for it).  Nothing like a hose up your ass after it&#8217;s been kicked around the ring, I suppose… but I digress.   Since I didn&#8217;t train anywhere else in Thailand, I can&#8217;t offer any comparisons.  But here’s my experience of Fairtex.</p>
<p>The Bangplee camp is much smaller than the Pattaya sports resort &#8211; which is way fancy and offers many more activities than Muay Thai.  My Thai trainer, Neungsiam, scowls and says that Pattaya is not a good place for fighters to seriously train, on account of it being so &#8220;full of tourists and beaches&#8221;.  Maybe he meant to pronounce it as &#8220;bitches&#8221; though, as he was referring specifically to Pattaya&#8217;s potentially distracting sex-tourism scene. On the other hand, Fairtex&#8217; top fighters (Yod, Naruepol) are at the Pattaya camp.  Kaew and Apidej were also both at Bangplee in 2004, but I&#8217;m not sure if they still are (doubt it).  Apidej would cheerfully feed the birds each morning and give you a big hug if he saw you.  You might wonder if he was crazy… or just enlightened.  </p>
<p>Anyway, about Bangplee. Though it is small, it is a fully equipped professional Muay Thai camp.  It is also quite beautiful and lush: a nicely crafted pro Muay Thai camp + fitness club surrounded by trees and a river in an otherwise semi-developed region (supermarkets and other businesses relatively close by, Bangkok 30-60mins by taxi).  No concrete ring-floors there: it caters to Muay Thai travelers (some English is spoken there) and offers a range of accommodations and amenities: various room configurations (with or w/o AC/TV/roommates/etc); freshwater pool, semi-Western style cafe (decent prices when I was there), Fairtex pro shop (better prices than abroad, but still relatively expensive for Thailand: most of the US fighters preferred the Twins shop at Lumpini), a fitness room (with treadmills, ellipticals, bikes, free weights &amp; machines; and fitness trainer), a beautiful high-ceilinged yoga studio, and clean showers.  Overall, the place is very clean, cheerful and familial &#8211; many of the fighters&#8217; and trainers&#8217; relatives live and work there, too.  Fairtex’ gear manufacturing was also based there and so many of the fighters had custom apparel made for them on the spot.  </p>
<p>“Everything is harder in a Thai camp”, said silver-medalist, Evan Esguerra, as we clung to the ropes after another monster 6-minute round of pad training.  The Scottish team was also training with us, and one of their fighters, Alex, responded weakly, “Oh, it’s a grrrrreat sporrrt!”</p>
<p>Bangplee has a quad of small rings, and plenty of shin-breaking bags of various sizes and singular hardness (which the skinny 13 year-old Thais have no trouble caving in with their kicks).  All of us ‘farang’ noted that a distinctly different sound was made by their kicks (CRACKETY-SHMACK!) than any of the Westerners&#8217; (which went something more like “Bmff”).  Humbling.  Inspiring.</p>
<p>The twice-daily training was very good, but I was already blessed to be training with Jongsanan, Ganyao and Enn Fairtex in San Francisco.  The main difference was that pad-training rounds were 6-minutes long at Bangplee. And the heat. As bad as that sounds, it actually forced everyone to learn how to relax (sabai! sabai!), breathe and keep their cool in the thick heat and humidity.  Efficiency and composure are the name of the game, and fatigue can be a great teacher if you don’t give up.</p>
<p>Overall, the biggest benefit for me was not the actual training, but the total immersion in Muay Thai culture.  People are very ‘real’ there: simple, sincere and present in their everyday lives. I loved the monk-like lifestyle, with the whole day devoted to refining your self as both weapon and place of peace.  Living for a month on a serious camp, surrounded by top pros who live and breathe the sport as their regular day job (including the tiny 8 year-olds, from whom I learned much by watching) teaches you something you can’t learn abroad.  It helped me begin to understand the proper attitude and pragmatism that empower Muay Thai: to be simple and natural, cool and patient, awake, at peace and unhesitatingly decisive when it&#8217;s time. These aren&#8217;t just qualities they put on in the ring: they are part of the every day Thai-Buddhist culture.</p>
<p>If you are open to it, this experience should be available at most decent camps. I would probably visit other gyms on future visits, but I definitely wasn&#8217;t disappointed by my experience. I would say that Fairtex/Bangplee is a good first place to train if you want a little comfort around your training (the training itself is still happily uncomfortable).</p>
<p>If you love Muay Thai, I hope you will find a way to train in Thailand, sooner than later.  Every day, there&#8217;s a part of my heart that asks: &#8220;When will we go back?&#8221;</p>
<p>*wai*</p>
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